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Do Opposites Really Attract?π§² | Love, Compatibility & What Actually Makes Relationships Last [Ep.023]
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So, what happens when two people come together in a committed relationship and your partner's choices clash with yours?
SPEAKER_01Yes, me, or I'm asking you.
SPEAKER_00We argue, we fight.
SPEAKER_01We argue, we fight, we have we throw things. Hello, and welcome to another episode of Unanswered. This is a podcast where we love to think, question, and connect. We use idioms, phrases, and famous things from different cultures to examine life's biggest questions and hopefully help you find the answers. My name is Joe.
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SPEAKER_01Unanswered 100, yes. Go and look at us. We're on all the social medias, all right? But as we said before, we love to bring up uh idioms, uh famous phrases, sayings, and today we have a famous phrase for you. I know you've heard this one before. Everyone has heard this one before, I believe, right? Yes, absolutely. This one is really popular.
SPEAKER_00And it's uh the second part of this mini-series on love.
SPEAKER_01Love. Get the very white voice. Love. How are you doing?
SPEAKER_00We're gonna talk about opposites attract. Opposites attract. It it's a saying.
SPEAKER_01I know it's a saying. The question is, is it true? Is it true the opposite is true? Before we dive into that, we need to go and watch this animation, right? So watch this first, and then we'll come back. We'll talk about opposites attract.
SPEAKER_00Opposites attract. A common English saying. And something in you leaned forward. Opposites attract. It's one of those phrases we say it like it explains everything. When really it explains nothing. Because attraction is only the beginning of the story. But here's what nobody warns you about. Two magnets snap together effortlessly. Two people though, that's a different story. Because people have histories, edges, and when opposite edges meet, there's friction. The question is what happens after the attraction when two genuinely different people have to build something real together. And that's where this gets together. Do opposites attract? Absolutely. Absolutely. But the question is What keeps them together?
SPEAKER_01Yes. What keeps them together?
SPEAKER_00I think that is That is what That is the hard question.
SPEAKER_01That is a question I believe that everyone is actually asking. Yes. Is okay, we we can agree really easily that opposites attract. All right, let's say we agree, but how do they stay together?
SPEAKER_00So I think we gotta go back a little bit. Uh when we say opposite attract, do are we attracted to the person, to the difference, to the excitement? I think that you know that's a an important distinction.
SPEAKER_01I think sometimes we can be attracted to something that's different in that aspect. I think also it's very possible for us to actually just be attracted to the idea.
SPEAKER_00The idea of what?
SPEAKER_01The idea of who we or the thought of who we think this individual is.
SPEAKER_00Man, gosh, I I've been there. Yes, but it's so dangerous. It's so dangerous. I don't know if people still do this, but when I was younger in my teens and early 20s, used to like daydream about these boy bands and like celebrities and so dreamy. You actually imagine um that they would actually get to know you and fall in love with you. Um it's a good idea.
SPEAKER_01So they're just in love with an idea at that point. It's not as if they didn't actually know the person.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, fun of people do this because I have done it. I have done it. Like lay in bed and imagine somehow the celebrity is gonna find me in a sea of people and profess his deep love for me. You know, like it's are you laughing at me?
SPEAKER_01No, I'm saying it actually happened. I mean, you found you found this guy who came.
SPEAKER_00Actually, I wasn't thinking and dreaming about a black dude. No, I wasn't. How dare you? You're a horrible person. No, I wasn't. I really wasn't. One of these days we'll tell our What's your story? What's your story? Joe really wasn't my type. No, when I was younger, he wasn't my type. I am mortified. You know this.
SPEAKER_01I am mortified that you will say such a thing.
SPEAKER_00You know this. You know this. That's that's what makes it so much better.
SPEAKER_01No, you gotta hear this story because it gets good. And when you hear what Joyce did, I'm telling you, it gets good. But let me say this from the day we met to the day we got engaged was two months.
SPEAKER_00Two and a half.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00Why do you have to be like the I'm specific? Two and a half.
SPEAKER_01And then also from the day we met, from the very day we met to the day we got married was three and a half months.
SPEAKER_00Yes. And we're doing this love series because it's our anniversary.
SPEAKER_01Yesterday was our 15th anniversary. Yes.
SPEAKER_00So we were like, you know what, we gotta we're gonna do something about love.
SPEAKER_01Love. So but now her true feelings are coming out, as you just saw. So I can't believe you. Someone's sleeping on the couch tonight.
SPEAKER_00But you know this, honey. You know this. You know this. It makes it all the better.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_00Okay, this is the point I want to get to, though. Yes, so I'm not denying that infatuation makes us blind.
SPEAKER_01Yes, as we have established last week. Last week we talked about this.
SPEAKER_00I'm not denying that opposites do attract. It's a fact. But that does not mean our agency to choose, our power to choose evaporates.
SPEAKER_01That we lose it.
SPEAKER_00No, right, no, absolutely, and that is what I would tell my younger self if I get a chance to. My 20-year-old self, my 25-year-old self, hey Joyce, listen. I see you, I see what you're going through, I see that this deep, rich, uh, strong emotions that you're feeling right now. And I validate that. It's it's real. But don't forget, you're you still have a choice. It's you can hope it's it's both. It's not one or the other. It's yes, you have strong feelings, but you also have a powerful choice.
SPEAKER_01So you have strong feelings, but you still have agency. Yes. You still have you have the option to choose.
SPEAKER_00You have the power to choose, right? Even right, even when you're feeling these strong emotions. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01I think it's what separates us from the animals. You understand? Like, we have urges, we have these things that are natural instincts, but we also have a mind, and we have agency, the opportunity to choose, to choose the right to choose. And so our choice becomes very, very important, and uh free will actually becomes very, very important in that as well. That I have the option to choose. Now, I say that, but not everybody has that option. What are you talking about? Well, there's some people who have arranged marriages, there's some people, you know, in those situations, you know.
SPEAKER_00Believe it or not, those of us who live in the West might might not see this on a daily basis, but it's actually very true. In many parts of the world, right, marriages are still arranged.
SPEAKER_01Right. And so it, I mean, it's a it's a real thing. And we're not gonna dive into that aspect anymore uh much, but what I am saying is that while opposites attract, um, a person can be so different that it's like, no, there's no chance.
SPEAKER_00So, what happens when two people come together in a committed relationship and your partner's choices clash with yours if they disagree with you?
SPEAKER_01You ask me, or I'm asking you.
SPEAKER_00We argue, we fight.
SPEAKER_01We argue, we fight, we have we throw things.
SPEAKER_00Remember that song in the middle? Which one? In the middle. It talks about what is it?
SPEAKER_01Oh, what's the name of that lady? Okay, this is not horrible. It's not it's so khaky. And you would say, again, but when you start to listen to listen to the words, you're like, Wait a second, we're throwing things here. Throwing things at each other, like it's just like, why don't we meet in the middle? We're arguing like crazy people. Why don't we meet in the middle?
SPEAKER_00You're like, wow, counseling is needed. Um, so like that's a clash. Like we just fight so much because there's so much opposing forces within households, within the homes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00So, what do we do?
SPEAKER_01Like, when Well, we as I said before, yeah, there's always, I believe, a goal to find equilibrium. And if one person just starts to give up, then that that equilibrium is not there. Um, I've talked about it before. I think I talked about in the last episode where many people go into these relationships expecting to give 50% and get 50, you know, get 50 back. Get 50 back. And if you're doing that, um, that's where we run into trouble.
SPEAKER_00I think that's a lot of us think that makes sense. I give 50.
SPEAKER_01I give 50, you get 50. But if I get 50 and I'm waiting for you to get 50 back, when you don't give all of that 50 back, then I'm just going to keep wanting, wanting 50, and I feel like injustice. Like I've and so it causes me to disrespect you and not give you my full 50, right? And so what I always say is don't go into a relationship and trying to, or not a relationship. Yeah, well, well, a relationship expecting just to give 50. No, ex give 100 and expect nothing in return. Now that's hard. And people would think I'm crazy for saying that. But this is, first of all, I think the real definition of love because love is action, love is sacrificial, love, it does not envy, does not boast, it's not trying to look after itself. This is what real love is, right? It looks for the betterment of that other individual for them to rise up. In order to do that, I have to empty myself to pour into that individual, right? That that's the real genuine or a real definite genuine definition of love. And if I'm giving 100% and expecting nothing in return, then it becomes where it is not performance-based. Right? If I'm expecting something in return, that's performance-based. I will only love you if you perform for me.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01But if both people go into it with that attitude, then you're downright tight because I'm giving 100% and you're giving 100%. We can communicate with one another, we can talk with one another. We're able, why? Because we know we're on the same team, and no matter what you do, nothing will change what I feel for you because I'm going to give it. And I know that relationships don't always work out, but when they don't, it's because somebody stops doing that in the relationship.
SPEAKER_00So is it possible to do that to someone who is so opposite from you?
SPEAKER_01I think it is because and once again, this is there's a lot that gets thrown into this the personalities and all kinds of stuff. But I think it is simply because it's easy to once again to celebrate those things that are different, you know, and to enjoy those things that are different. It's not even so much, oh man, okay, this is gonna be it's not even so much about me at that point, right? It's about them. And so I get to celebrate those things about them that are different for myself, and those things, I get to celebrate those things, right? And those things I get to hold up and honor, and um, they become very important to me because of who this person is. I'll give you a perfect example. The other day I was putting together my toolbox. Remember, I was organizing my toolbox, and I'm like, hey Joyce, I need you out here. And you're like, come out here. At first, you were like, What? What do you need? I'm like, You're so good at organization. Like, of course I can organize my toolbox by myself. But when she does organize, she has this uncanny knack of seeing how things are and being able to say, okay, you should organize this with this and this. I'm the Tetris guy. I'm like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do and I get Tetris in the space, but I want to know, hey, how should what system should I use? And she'll be like, oh, okay, this should go to the top drawer, this should go here, this, because and I'm like, but there's a level of trust there to say, hey, you know what? She can do this better than I can. There's a part of this that she does better, and I get to use that to my advantage. Why? Because it's because her differences, and so that, and I after I said it, you perked up.
SPEAKER_00At first, you were like, I was in the middle of editing a clip, and I was like right smack in the middle.
SPEAKER_01And then as soon as I was like, Well, I have I was wondering if you would do the organize, you're like, Oh, okay. Why? Because that's your bit. It's like, oh, it's something I love to do. Oh, yes. I get to organize something. And I'm like, yeah, by all means, drive yourself crazy, you know. It's those things where you get to celebrate your differences and and really like push the the your partner forward in those things, right? Yes. Does this make sense?
SPEAKER_00I think it makes sense only in the context of commitment.
SPEAKER_01Only in context of commitments. Because if there's no commitment, then you giving 100% of yourself. That's crazy. You can only do that in committed relationships. You can only do it in the context of commitment relationships.
SPEAKER_00Because I think commitment provides a safe environment. Um without commitment, I think this kind of love is virtually impossible.
SPEAKER_01It's virtually impossible and it's toxic almost. What do you mean? If I'm giving a hundred percent of myself and I'm not any committed, that I'm just gonna give a hundred percent of myself to everyone, then I have nothing to do.
SPEAKER_00I can't give a hundred percent of myself and but that's when you lose yourself.
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_00That's when you lose yourself because if only one party is giving a hundred percent and the other is not, the other side is gonna grow stronger and more more dominant, I think. And there will be no equilibrium, it's always gonna be imbalanced because this side will give and give and give and give, and this side will take and take and take and take. And that is not a sustainable relationship. It doesn't become no, it does not last.
SPEAKER_01Okay, and I know you're not gonna hear this message from the red pill guys, you're gonna hear, you're not gonna hear this type of stuff from a lot of people, but I I think that these are the relationships that last. When you see those relationships that have been together for 50 plus years and all that good stuff, it's because man, you see how they interact with one another, and they're just they're always like they care for one another, they they're there, you know. Yeah, there's absolute commitment in those relationships. You know, with commitment comes security, yeah, comes safety. Yeah, which is a good thing. With commitment comes that honor, yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_00For women, especially, I think.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for that security, yes. It I feel like women, you tell me if I'm wrong. But when you have that type of security, when you have a guy who you know is nurturing you, who has your, I mean, is like ride or die, you know. He has he wants to care for you, he puts you first. Yeah, it makes you come out of yourself, it makes you come alive, yeah, right? Where you're like, oh man, this is a guy. I need to, you yeah, you understand what I'm saying? Like, so I think that uh the same is true for a guy. If there's a woman who is like, man, this guy is my man, we feel like I must rescue the princess. You know, like it's it's Mario time. It's Mario time, you know. I gotta rescue the princess. Like, come on, like Bowser, you got nothing. I'm about to take you, you know, even if it's big as Bowser, I gotta take this guy down, you know. So uh I think yeah, in those situations, we it it it it brings us deeper into who we are with a person when both people actually love that way. Yeah. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. What are some opposites that we had to navigate? Because we're obviously there's a lot of difference in like between us. What did we have to navigate to make a relationship work? Do you remember when before we made we got married, you were grilled by my family?
SPEAKER_01I was grilled, and that was should I tell them a little bit about this? Yeah, you can't. Okay, when I say grilled, okay. I came up to visit her family, as in her, her mom, her dad, her sister. One night, oh, we're gonna have a little dinner. They packed out the living room with like 30 people. It was like outside the film, it's like it's at least 30 people. And I'm sitting here and they all grilled me for like it was like a couple hours. It was like two or three hours. Just ask me question after question after question. And I was like, and I thought, actually, that was the coolest thing. Well, and I think they understood that too because I'm like, hey, I will fight, it's me and her against the world. I will fight anyone for her. You understand? Like, I don't care if it's 30 of you. I will and it's not like it was a violent thing, it's just like, no, I I love defending her. I will defend her, I will defend us against all enemies, foreign and domestic, you know, and number two is wow, she has this amazing community that cares for her so deeply that they're like, you are not going to take our daughter, our sister, our friend without a fight. And I was like, wow, wow, that is a that's so cool. And if we had more families like that, yeah, you know, where they're like, we're holding you responsible. Yes, we we want to give you our blessing, but you better show us that you're worth that blessing. Yeah, you understand? Like, wow, I man, I get whoa.
SPEAKER_00It was so touching um just how my extended family uh stood up for me. And um what was really interesting about that night was most of the questions were about our differences.
SPEAKER_01Yes, right? Well, how do you think how are you gonna navigate this? Yes, and how are you gonna navigate this? Do you realize that there's this, this? And I had to have answers. And I was like, these are great questions because first of all, I've thought about these questions before, so I'm not unprepared. And secondly, I I was able to give them, I believe, a different perspective on a number of these questions.
SPEAKER_00Go into it.
SPEAKER_01Because one of the questions was Well, do you really realize that you're that she's Chinese and you're black? And I'm like, I realize that I've been this way my entire life. What do you think about your kids? You know, many mixed-race kids face certain issues and they face like being made fun of and things like that, and they face difficulties, and you guys might face difficulties as a mixed couple. And I was like, you know what? You're right. We may face difficulties as a mixed couple, but I look at it from the other perspective. How many open doors may happen because we're a mixed couple? How many open doors may happen because my daughter can speak Chinese and speak English and speak how many doors may open? So we can look and we can focus on this negative aspect, or we can look on the strengths that may come about by us joining together. Because I I and I and I can see, yes, there may be challenging and difficult times, but us as a team, we can grow together. And once again, it's being her against the world. Us together, come on, we are a force to be reckoned with. So uh, and that's just kind of what I was like sharing with them. And they were like, oh wow, that's a really good answer. That's a really good answer. Didn't think about that perspective. Perspective that this could open these opportunities because I mentioned some of the opportunities that it could open as well. And it did. And it did. And it has. And it has.
SPEAKER_00In that sense, I think, yes, opposites attract, but it also brings about friction sometimes. Yes. It's a little thing that could break people, that could break relationship. Like how I was like, he was like, oh, we were married two months. I'm like, no, two and a half months. You know what? That could annoy the crap out of someone. That could totally annoy the crap out.
SPEAKER_01Because he does it all the time. I'll be like, oh, we're gonna leave it in five minutes. She'll be like, 5.37. Did we need the 3.7? Did we? I'm like, we can't be precise. It's precise. We have to be precise. I'm like, what?
unknownIt's five minutes, okay?
SPEAKER_00To be honest, it was uh it was an adjustment in the beginning. Remember the the trash can?
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. That's a whole thing. We're not gonna go. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. It's when they allow those things to become an irritant, right? Yeah. And then they just start to grow and grow. It's like until it just blows up, you know. Um, we can't allow those little, and I think we'll let's call them preferences, right? Yeah, we can't allow those small preferences to to upstage or to to upstage the marriage or upstage the relationship, if I can say that. Does that make sense? We have to be careful that we allow our preferences to be like not to go, but it's not the main thing.
SPEAKER_00It goes back to what you were saying. You used to say keep the main thing, the main thing, and that really helped me in especially in the early early days of our marriage. Keep the main thing, the main thing, is this the main thing? Right. So what used to irritate me so much is how your socks are always on the floor. Always. It's it's true. It's true to this day. To this day, it's still like rolled up in a ball on the floor. Annoys me to no end. But when I think about it, okay, I prefer dirty socks to go in the hamper. All dirty clothes should go into the hamper. But is this worth a fight?
SPEAKER_01Call me back for an update in three weeks. Because I will have to fix the socks issue and get back to you, okay?
SPEAKER_00No, you don't have to fix the sock issue. It's not an issue anymore. It's not an issue anymore. It's not an issue.
SPEAKER_01Your concern has been noted.
SPEAKER_00If we'll get back to you in one week. If that was a real complaint, that's that's super passive aggressive. That's so manipulative. No, that is not my intent. I'm just giving an example because it's a non-issue. If I see it, I just put it in the hamper now. It's not an issue anymore.
SPEAKER_01They lay there and then I picked them all up at once and throw them in the hamper, okay?
SPEAKER_00Like in 14 days.
SPEAKER_01I don't have 14 pairs of socks.
SPEAKER_00What you said earlier in our marriage about keeping the main thing the main thing really helped because I think it's really easy to focus on our own preferences and the difference in our opposite preferences. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Because the reality is the our preferences is not the main thing. I I know people might hate us for saying this, but our preferences is not the main thing.
SPEAKER_01Preferences is just preferences, like so I I think what you're saying is there's a difference between your preferences and your values. Yes, yes, yes. Your values are things that you hold closer, those are the things that are more in depth. Right, right. But your preferences are things that are they're things you prefer, but they're not necessarily values.
SPEAKER_00No, values are things what you believe. Like, like a lot of times you said, um, remember when we were talking about truth?
SPEAKER_01And you're like you can say whatever you want to about what you believe, your life, the way you live your life will show me exactly what you believe. Some people like to beat their neighbors, some people like to eat their neighbors.
SPEAKER_00Take it to the absurd, right? If you believe in um, if one of you believe in the value of human life and one of you don't, right, then that's not a good marriage. But opposites attract. But that does that make sense. Like, take it when we take arguments to the to absurdity, yes, it it makes things a lot clearer.
SPEAKER_01Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Because that's a value. If one um if we believe in it, our core values about humanity, our core values about um on belief systems, right? On um morality. Oh no, family, or how we raise family, all like those are core issues.
SPEAKER_01Even like sometimes parts of our culture are also like very closely held values. We have to be careful. There's still some things that are preferences and not values.
SPEAKER_00That requires us to know what our core values are, to know what we believe in, to what to know what are these core pieces that make up who I am. Because if not, how how would I know? Right. How would I know who if this person's core value aligns with mine? All I can see are preferences. All I can see is, are they cute? Do they dress the way I like? Do they, you know, do they eat the same food as I like? Is their living standard? Is their income level the the level that I want? Like that's the only things we see. So I think relationships go wrong when you when we confuse the two. Right. When we focus so much on preferences and we forget about the values, the values, and the values have to be the most important.
SPEAKER_01Some people think they have values, but they're actually preferences.
SPEAKER_00Oh how do you tell?
SPEAKER_01They're holding it as a value, but it's actually a preference. How do you tell? And so you have to be willing to let your preferences go for a value. How do you tell? Well, I think that, like, for instance, when people are saying stuff like, Oh, I want this guy that's 6'5, or she can't be over this much weight, or whatever. That that's a preference, right? That's not necessarily a value.
SPEAKER_00Preferences can change without altering who you are.
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_00Core values is who you are.
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_00So you have to know the difference, right?
SPEAKER_01That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But you said it better.
SPEAKER_00We make each other better. But you have to find out what your core values are, otherwise you would just I think you'd be in a world of hurt because you keep getting attracted to opposite people, and then those relationships won't last.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And then and we're speaking about this in a very general sense. Of course, there's so much, there's so much more in-depth, there's so much more material that we could go into, but we're speaking about this from a very like surface level. Yeah. Um, and so we hope that you can understand what we're saying. But for any of you who are out there asking the question, um, it's commitment that keeps relationships together. When especially when opposites attract, it's commitment, it's that uh promise to one another. And uh it's like letting go of the little things and keeping your mind focused on the main things, keep the main thing the main thing that's what that's what keeps relationships together, that's what keeps keeps these things going, I believe. Yeah, so there, I mean, look at us, there's a lot of differences. Yes, but you experience but our core values are strikingly similar.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. So I think if we keep the main thing, the main thing, right, and just take it easy on the preferences, yes, and that's how we worked.
SPEAKER_01And dare I say celebrate the differences.
SPEAKER_00Yes, I think that's one thing that I really admire about you. That's one thing that I really learned from you these past 15 years.
SPEAKER_01So I don't know. I think that it's helpful, and that's what helps keep a relationship together.
SPEAKER_00Yes. But happy 15th.
SPEAKER_01Happy 15th, honey. I love you.
SPEAKER_00I love you too.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's our episode for today, ladies and gentlemen. That's our episode for today. I don't I don't know why I keep going into the country voice. Um I'm feeling like my Tennessee roots coming back, okay. All right, but uh, thank you guys for joining us again for another episode of Unanswer. Before you leave today, what you want you to do is go ahead and hit that subscribe button.
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